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 WotG : ajustements et nouveaux jobs (édité)

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Dancer
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Scholar
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Autre Job
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Non, c'est trop chiant
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MessageSujet: WotG : ajustements et nouveaux jobs (édité)   Sam 17 Nov - 12:33

tiré de wiki donc en anglais mais bon voilà :


- Existing jobs will get new abilities and spells.
- Adjustments will be from the start and be ongoing after WotG comes out.
- They will be making further (implied downward) adjustments to the 2-handed changes.

Warrior

Ability that creates a benefit to WAR for claims. Something like a MNK counter that also stores TP. Used to help pulling. Instead of creating a new tank job, trying to imporove existing tanks.

Monk

Concept for MNK is to reduce TP given. Possibly adding something to Kicks - either a weapon skill or a battle stance that slows (kick?) attack speed and increases potency.

White Mage

At the time of the new expansion - new spell called Repose - a sleep spell. Also effective with scholar sub. Also want to add more teleport spells.

Black Mage

Recognize that skill chains are not happening and then no bursts. They are looking at lowering the resistance rate of skill chains in order to promote magic bursts. Also additions to transportations.

Red Mage

Considering magic to allow RDM to move up to front lines.

Thief

New JA "Accomplice" - it will steal a PT enmity and transfer to himself. Used with perfect dodge or to help a mage in troble.

Paladin

Considering a reflect spell to reflect damage from attacks blocked by shields.

Dark Knight

Design concept was attacker with magic. More dark magic specific spells for use in battle.

Beastmaster

Several new things. 1. Amount of HP with wait will be Greatly increased. 2. New pet command - Snarl - jug pet only order a pet to take all master enmity. A provoke for pets. 3. New pet food to cure all status aliments and lowering recast on reward.

Bard

New songs and abilities. Command to select a single target for a song. Make bard busier by increasing numbr of casts.

Ranger

New ability - Velocity Shot - ranged attacks will be faster and more powerful and mele will be less powerful.

Samurai

Concept is profession able to build TP. Recent additions made SAM too powerful. There will be some adjustments. Additions may include ability to improve skillchains - such as making them faster or reducing resistance to skillchains.

Ninja

Possible new ninjutsu with sneak effect. Possible new ability which temporarily reduces enmity and then restores it to previous amount.

Dragoon

Increase number of actions wyvern takes in battle.

Summoner

New ability. Restore MP by elemental spirits. Ability may also be tied to days of the week and weather. There will be another annoucement on SMN later tonight.

Blue Mage

New monster spells. Updates to come out first update of 2008.

Corsair

New rolls for 2 new jobs. Add effect to quick draw where they can charge it like the scholars. Updates to come out first update of 2008.

Puppetmaster

Considering new attachments and adjustments to existing ones. New automaton weapon skills.

Thats it for job adjustments.



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... tiré de BG ici (à peu près la même chose mais bon)



- 2-Handed weapon wielders will be 'adjusted'.

WAR:
- Ability to automatically strike back (ala Counter) and Store TP from the attack.

MNK:
- Considering new ability to slow attack speed of monk but increases attack power per hit.

WHM:
- Repose spell: SLEEP for WHM!
- More teleport spells!

BLM:
- Lowering the rate monsters resist Skillchains
- New transportation spells for BLMs

RDM:
- Increasing RDM's usefulness as a FRONTLINE mage, meleeing

THF:
- New JA: Accomplice - STEAL HALF a party member's ENMITY and transfer to the THF.

PLD:
- Damage reflect with shield

DRK:
- DRK specific spells

BST:
- HP recovered by pets
- Snarl added, used for jug pets.. to transfer ALL hate to pet
- Add pet food for curing status effects

BRD:
- New songs
- Ability select single targets for AOE spells.

RNG:
- New Velocity Shot - Ranged attacks are quicker and more powerful

SAM:
- Adjustments will be made due to 2handed updates
- Ability to improve effectiveness of SC's, increasing damage for SC's

NIN:
- Sneak effect NINJUTSU
- Temporary reducing enmity then bringing it back up

DRG:
- Increasing the number of actions of wyvern
- Bloodpacts for Wyvern!

SMN:
- New ability, Healing MP via elemental spirits.
- ..........Odin Prime?

BLU:
- New spells

COR:
- New rolls for new jobs
- New effect for Quickdraw

PUP:
- New automaton attachments
- New automaton weaponskills for high level PUPs


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Time to hit the books. Scholar revealed!

Let's discuss Scholar first. An interesting combination of both White Mage and Black Mage abilities, and quite different than the Red Mage (to newcomers, a Red Mage is often viewed as a hybrid of WHM and BLM, with its own unique abilities and spells), the Scholar is able to switch -- on the fly -- between the two disciplines, enhancing the abilities of the main discipline at the expense of the effectiveness of the other. This won't likely be an issue, since you can switch between Light Arts and Dark Arts at will (the names of the two disciplines) depending on what spells you need to cast, but this is better explained by breaking down each ability.

Tabula Rasa -- This is the Scholar's 2-hour move, and is coincidentally named the same as Richard Garriot's latest MMO for NCSoft. Tabula Rasa optimizes both white and black magic capabilities, while allowing charge-free stratagem use.

Light Arts -- Switching to this Scholarly discipline enhances divine magic, enhancing magic, and healing magic spells.

Dark Arts -- Switching to this Scholarly discipline enhances enfeebling, elemental, and dark magic spells.

Stratagems -- These are methods of improving the efficiency and effectiveness of magic. Like the two Arts, there are two types of Stratagems, as expected, Light and Dark. Within the Dark Stratagems menu lies four job abilities. We'll list what each one does. The Light Stratagems were not unlocked on our character, so we cannot reveal what they are at this time.

* Dark Stratagem -- Parsimony: Reduces the MP cost of the next BLM spell to 50%. So basically it's a user-activated Conserve MP move.
* Dark Stratagem -- Alacrity: Reduces the casting time of the next BLM spell to 50%. This is less like a Fast Cast and more like a Ranger's Rapid Shot, proportionate of course to the original casting time of the BLM spell used. But where this might come in especially handy is in emergency situations where Escape is needed, or in casting a nuke with a long cast time. Since it's unclear whether Scholars can wield any ancient magic (Freeze, Quake, etc.) this may not be a super-huge factor, but can be handy nonetheless.
* Dark Stratagem -- Ebullience: Enhances the potency of the next BLM spell cast. This is essentially Elemental Seal renamed for Scholars, although it's unclear whether a SCH/BLM could stack Ebullience and Elemental Seal for a major nuke of enfeeble (it's unlikely). Applicable to enfeebling, elemental, and dark magic, this will be a very useful ability to have around.
* Dark Stratagem -- Manifestation: This ability is particularly interesting as the official description states "Extends the effect of the next BLM spell at an MP cost three times the normal cost, and a cast time of twice the normal length." By extend it means it turns the next BLM spell into an area-of-effect "ga" spell. This provides further suggestion that ancient magic spells are not among those available to Scholars, as a Freeze-ga II spell would put BLMs (and most HNMs) out of business.

The development team told us that Scholar was also designed to be a very effective support job, and since the job will also receive its own unique spells, we'd expect a significant spell or job trait to kick in around level 35-37 if it's to be used as a support ability. Other tidbits about the Scholar is that the one we played was using a staff, but does not have any special proficiency with the weapon, meaning there are no weaponskills unique to Scholars (nor are there any quested weapon skills exclusive to Scholars).



Dirty dancing? Dancing in the dark? Private dancer? You decide.

The Dancer was designed -- and this comes from the mouths of the job class director, Mitsutoshi Gondai -- to be a front-line healer. Anyone who would debate this probably hasn't heard that the gross majority of the Dancer's moves require TP, but not as much as you probably thought. If you didn't know, you might have thought that for every major spell a Dancer uses in its support role, a 100% TP (or more) might be needed. That's not the case. Some moves (usually Tier I versions of DNC spells) require as little as 10TP to activate, while more powerful versions of these moves (like a Bard's II, III, IV songs) require greater amounts of TP. Some moves, though, don't cost any TP whatsoever, making them free. But Dancer abilities are organized by styles, like Sambas, Waltzes, Jigs and Steps, each with their own inherent abilities, like a Red Mage's spells, which are grouped into enhancing magic, enfeebling magic, etc. Let's take a look at what makes Dancers so fleet of foot.

Trance -- This is the Dancer's 2-hour move, and lowers the TP cost of dances, and reduces the number of 'steps' needed to zero.

Sambas -- These dances imbue melee attacks with special enhancements. Here we will list the Samba moves and their effects.

* Drain Samba: (TP cost, 10) Casts Drain Daze on the enemy. All party members engaged in battle drains the enemy's HP. Drain Samba II costs 25TP.
* Aspir Samba: (TP cost, 10) Casts Aspir Daze on the enemy. All party members engaged in battle drains the enemy's MP. Aspir Samba II costs 25TP.
* Haste Samba: (TP cost, 35) Casts Haste Daze on the enemy. All party members engaged in battle gain Haste. There is not tier II version of this spell.

Waltzes -- These dance moves cute and remove ailments from party members. Here we will list the Waltz moves and their effects.
* Curing Waltz: (TP cost, 20) Restore a party member's HP. Curing Waltz II costs 35TP. Curing Waltz III costs 50TP.
* Healing Waltz: (TP cost, 20) Removes one magic-induced ailment from a party member. This is most similar to the White Mage spell, Erase, but since it's specific to a 'magic-induced ailment,' probably won't remove physically-inflicted enfeebles, like Slow. There is no tier II version of this dance.
* Divine Waltz: (TP cost, 40) This Waltz heals party members HP, essentially a Curaga spell. It is unknown how much enmity using any of these curative oves generates.

Jigs -- These dances enhances your own abilities. Here we will list the Jigs dances and their effects.

* Spectral Jig: (TP cost, 0) Allows you to evade detection by enemies that detect by either sight or sound. Essentially this casts both Sneak and Invisible on yourself, at zero MP or TP cost. Unlikely to be effective in avoiding detection by mobs with True Sight, however.
* Chocobo Jig: (TP cost, 0) Increases the Dancer's movement speed (as in running, not attacking). When questioned about the actual speed increase, Mitsutoshi Gondai informed us that Chocobo Jig has the same speed effect (on the player alone) as Chocobo Mazurka, and not Raptor Mazurka as we originally suspected.

Steps -- These dances enfeeble enemies while granting access to 'finishing moves.' Here we will list the Steps and their effects.

* Quickstep: (TP cost, 10) Lowers target's evasion. If successful, you will earn a finishing move.
* Box Step: (TP cost, 10) Lowers target's defense. If successful, you will earn a finishing move.
* Stutter Step: (TP cost, 10) Lower target's magic resistance. If successful, you will earn a finishing move.

Flourishes -- There are two tiers to the Flourish category. These are powerful dance steps that can only be used after earning 'finishing moves,' which are basically function -- on a small scale -- like TP. You connect with a particular dance move, you earn a finishing move. Spend your finishing moves on Flourishes. Here we will list the various tier I Flourishes and their effects.

* Animated Flourish: Provokes the target. Requires at least one finishing move.
* Desperate Flourish: Weighs down a target with a low success rate. Requires at least one finishing move.
* Violent Flourish: Stuns the target. Requires at least one finishing move.

Flourish II -- Here we will list the various tier II Flourishes and their effects.

* Reverse Flourish: Converts remaining moves into TP. Requires at least one finishing move.
* Building Flourish: Enhances the potency of the next weapon skill. Requires at least one finishing move.
* Wild Flourish: Readies the target for a skillchain. Requires at least two finishing move. How this flourish 'readies' the target is unknown, but could mean many things, like it stuns the target to prevent it from moving, binds it, lowers its elemental resistance, adds a non-DOT Dia effect, lowering its defense (although that is achieved already via two separate 'steps').

The Dancer's weapon proficiency lies with the dagger, which is appropriate since these weapons have the lowest delay, making for relatively quick TP build-up, especially if a Ninja sub isn't used (in favor of, say, a White Mage sub). As the Dancer's moves don't use any MP to cast -- by design -- the dev team sees this as a solution to the number of dwindling healers, since a good majority of the players out there have by now leveled WHM to at least 37 for support job purposes. Now low-level parties in the Valkurm Dunes (or in the Wings of the Goddess expansion) that can't find a WHM can just invite a Dancer, who will change the dynamic of leveling parties significantly. Instead of the usual melee up front while the WHM lingers in the back setup, now a party of six damage dealers can all be fighting at once, Dancer right in the thick of things, keeping Curaga-like moves activating when necessary.

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MessageSujet: Re: WotG : ajustements et nouveaux jobs (édité)   Sam 17 Nov - 12:37

bon ben que du bon moi je dis les gars

on dirait que c'est le WAR le 3e tank finalement (pile poil ce que je disais avec Chibi hier, une sorte de Counter)

(reflechis) Cool, sismic tank !!!! lol

kyron t'as lu ca pour les RDMs ?

et ils vont enfin ramener les SC d'entre les morts, avec p-e même les MB ... pas trop tôt ... marre des burn qd meme un peu ...

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MessageSujet: Re: WotG : ajustements et nouveaux jobs (édité)   Sam 17 Nov - 15:03

Euh désolé, mais je traduis pas très bien pour RDM, en gros il sera meilleur en melee ?!
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MessageSujet: Re: WotG : ajustements et nouveaux jobs (édité)   Sam 17 Nov - 15:48

perso, je sais ce qu'elles valent les promesses made in Square Enix. Tant qu'y a rien d'officiellement annoncé (hors Fan Festival) et de réellement implémenté, je maintiens mon "Damn you SE".

Mais j'attends d'observer ce qu'il en sera pendant les 1ères semaines de WotG, avec un regard éminnemment sceptique. Essayer de restaurer le Rdm dans le rôle qu'il aurait dû être (pour moi hein...je sais que beaucoup de Rdm sont trés contents de leur statut actuel de healer et healer only) aprés tant d'années, me semble bien uthopique. M'enfin, le retour aux racines de Vana'diel sera peut-être "rénovateur" qui sait.
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MessageSujet: Re: WotG : ajustements et nouveaux jobs (édité)   Sam 17 Nov - 17:40

Kyron a écrit:
je sais que beaucoup de Rdm sont trés contents de leur statut actuel de debuffer et debuffer only)
Fixed.

Ces news sont tirées du blog Live de ffxiclopedia, c'est là-bas que les news seront les plus fraîches et expliquées un peu plus clairement, parfois ^^

Il manque des choses sur le texte de BG, comme par exemple que:
Les SMN auront plusieurs nouveaux avatars (ouaip m'dame ^^)

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Fan_Festival_2007_Live_Blog

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MessageSujet: Re: WotG : ajustements et nouveaux jobs (édité)   Sam 17 Nov - 19:50

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MessageSujet: Re: WotG : ajustements et nouveaux jobs (édité)   Sam 17 Nov - 20:21

Avec des warpga et des tele ds les villes ou les news zones ca donnerai presque envie de revenir.

Non je rigole, vous me manquez mais la liberté ca n'a pas de prix

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MessageSujet: Re: WotG : ajustements et nouveaux jobs (édité)   Sam 17 Nov - 20:24

Ils ont eu l'air de bien faire les choses pour que Scholar soit efficient en sub en tout cas.

Hmmm, je cracherais pas sur un Conserve MP + Auto-Refresh sur un seul sub ^^

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MessageSujet: Re: WotG : ajustements et nouveaux jobs (édité)   Sam 17 Nov - 21:57

mercure a écrit:
bon ben que du bon moi je dis les gars

on dirait que c'est le WAR le 3e tank finalement (pile poil ce que je disais avec Chibi hier, une sorte de Counter)

(reflechis) Cool, sismic tank !!!! lol


Mdr, on verras ce que ça donnera

Sinon /comfort Elo, Sanu, et compagnie... xD
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MessageSujet: Re: WotG : ajustements et nouveaux jobs (édité)   Dim 18 Nov - 16:13

moi j'ai pratiquement rien compris a par pour blm nouveau sort téléport ^^

sinon je vais sub scholar je pense ^^

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MessageSujet: Re: WotG : ajustements et nouveaux jobs (édité)   Lun 19 Nov - 19:05

ça me va totalement pour Drk je le disais il ya peu, drk= fighter avec de la magie noire trop peu utilisée j'espère que ça va roxe

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